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hi my opinion is that there is a real difference between poaching and new ivory trade and antique ivory trade. Unfortunately wild life groups can not see how allowing dealers to form a league to align with customs and fish and wild life to give of their time to look at the items that can be obviously picked out as antique and vintage and divide those that are poaching ie from people that trade new items . So much art work through the ages have ivory. By devaluing the lives that were lost (elephant lives ) and making the value of these items worthless by not seeing the value in what we have in these objects is not the correct path. African trips still promote big game hunting , also the factories of ivory producers in Africa are not being shut effectively as well in China. Crackdowns of dealers who have real and very old items and witch hunting of antiques to prove a point is not the same as actually going after the corruption of the government and all that produce and kill the animals now. To have that effectively used as a way to stop the killing all people would have to stop using leather, fur , or consuming animals as well. Many US dealers have suggested to the government and to Fish and Wild life to form a coalition to ban all new items and to do that then there would be a cut off date , and people that understand vintage and antique pieces from commercial trade. They have not done that job here because they are not prepared to put the effort in because the wild life groups don't care enough to see how this effects values of items in museums . How does using a Victorian ivory stake knife stop poaching today? There is a difference in conducting bans that make sense and not putting a whole ban on items. The musical instrument industry lobbied and got through because of all the money involved , unfortunately the antiques leagues were not strong enough to lobby . Today a certain amount of poaching is allowed and this is to allow a certain amount of high profile big game hunting operations to continue. I would eliminate this all together and crack down on new items effectively and not worry about native antiques or ancient ivory works of art to be denigrated because governments are too lazy too do the right thing. Most of the trade of items is stemming from orders coming from Asia and production of new items made for decoration . Antique ethnic items that were used and worn for years and also much admired objects of art should still be thought of in a different way than commercially trade pieces and one should distinguish this as well still be vocal on the killing of elephants. The two can co exist if the rhetoric changes.

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Linda Pastorino December 26, 2015 at 7:21pm

Really beautiful one of these. Have not seen these in quite a while.
Eva Baby January 14, 2016 at 12:26pm

Nice, but we have to stop using ivory, pleeeease! If we continue, all the elephants will die out in nature, as well as tigers (used in Chinese medicine), leopards, and so on. I really plead for stop of tigers teeth, real ivory, and otherrs. THANK YOU
Linda Pastorino January 14, 2016 at 6:44pm

hi my opinion is that there is a real difference between poaching and new ivory trade and antique ivory trade. Unfortunately wild life groups can not see how allowing dealers to form a league to align with customs and fish and wild life to give of their time to look at the items that can be obviously picked out as antique and vintage and divide those that are poaching ie from people that trade new items . So much art work through the ages have ivory. By devaluing the lives that were lost (elephant lives ) and making the value of these items worthless by not seeing the value in what we have in these objects is not the correct path. African trips still promote big game hunting , also the factories of ivory producers in Africa are not being shut effectively as well in China. Crackdowns of dealers who have real and very old items and witch hunting of antiques to prove a point is not the same as actually going after the corruption of the government and all that produce and kill the animals now. To have that effectively used as a way to stop the killing all people would have to stop using leather, fur , or consuming animals as well. Many US dealers have suggested to the government and to Fish and Wild life to form a coalition to ban all new items and to do that then there would be a cut off date , and people that understand vintage and antique pieces from commercial trade. They have not done that job here because they are not prepared to put the effort in because the wild life groups don't care enough to see how this effects values of items in museums . How does using a Victorian ivory stake knife stop poaching today? There is a difference in conducting bans that make sense and not putting a whole ban on items. The musical instrument industry lobbied and got through because of all the money involved , unfortunately the antiques leagues were not strong enough to lobby . Today a certain amount of poaching is allowed and this is to allow a certain amount of high profile big game hunting operations to continue. I would eliminate this all together and crack down on new items effectively and not worry about native antiques or ancient ivory works of art to be denigrated because governments are too lazy too do the right thing. Most of the trade of items is stemming from orders coming from Asia and production of new items made for decoration . Antique ethnic items that were used and worn for years and also much admired objects of art should still be thought of in a different way than commercially trade pieces and one should distinguish this as well still be vocal on the killing of elephants. The two can co exist if the rhetoric changes.

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